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SM Entertainment’s refutation, “They made 11b KRW after debut”

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SM Entertainment, with which Dong Bang Shin Ki member Hero JaeJoong, Micky YooChun and Xiah JunSu has have a dispute with, came out to reveal their official stand.

SM Entertainment said on 3rd August, “Dong Bang Shin Ki has earn 11billion KRW from after their debut till 2009 July (dividend payout 9.2 billion KRW + beforehand provision 1.77 billion KRW). Also they also received many high-end foreign products in the process even though SM Entertainment was suffering from a business deficit in the 4 years after the group’s debut. And even though there is a distributive ratio, they would have raised it with proftis from their endorsement in CFs, doing events and also photoshoots.”

And about how the 3 members have said that they were given unjust treatment, SM Entertainment said, “About their health and schedule, we have discussed them before they were put through it.”

And about the cosmetic enterprise, SM said, “Looking at this case, this holds substantial reasons to it. It is evident since there is only 3 members involved in this case. They wanted to reduce the loss of image and harm to them as soon as possible with this plan as they will be used for the enterprise in terms of having their images used as part of marketing and also to participate in events for the enterprise.”

Also, “According to the Fair Trade commission, there is no provision saying that singers cannot be signed for beyond a period of 7 years, and there is no exceptional provision limiting the contract of singers promoting overseas. We did amendments to the exclusive rights clause for 5 times after the contract was contracted, 2 times were to address the compensation of loss, and after checking and confirmation by the Fair Trade Commission. The rest of the 3 times were to address the profits distribution ratio and for renewal – in 2004 January, then in 2007 February and 2009 February.”

SM “We will solve this case with the 3 members regarding the application for retractile in the contract and the lawsuit confrontation as soon as possible.”

Updates:

  1. The 3 members apply for retractile effect on 31st July (https://sookyeong.wordpress.com/2009/07/31/dong-bang-shin-ki-xiah-micky-and-hero-for-a-lawsuit-against-sm/)
  2. The 3 members’ official stand about their case against SM (https://sookyeong.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/dbsk-hero-micky-and-xiahs-official-stand-about-their-discord-with-sm/)
  3. Korean news articles also reported on JaeJoong’s tweet on Twitter about the case – but no one can confirm if the account is true (http://twitter.com/Herojaejoong)

77 Responses

  1. […] SM Entertainment's refutation, “They made 11b KRW after debut” « K … […]

  2. sure they got a lot of money after debut, but how much is it compared to how much SM got from their debut?

  3. I think this is really about cosmetics otherwise Yunho and Changmin would’ve also file a lawsuit. Didn’t they read the contract before signing it? I think those three get their head bigger after becoming popular. Look what happen to Shinwa and Hot and the others. Once they become popular they become greedy for more money. Now where are they now? Not as popular as they would think once they left the company.

    What bothers me is, it doesn’t seem like Yunho and Changmin know about this lawsuit before it came out. Had Yunho and Changmin know about it I don’t think they will sign on for the drama. So does the three members keep it a secret from the other two?

    • In no official news articles did it mention that Yunho and Changmin didn’t join in because of the dramas. I think this is just a false rumor by a handful of fans.

      They were only children when they signed the contract – minors under Korean law. this is why they can now fight it, under the pretext that they were naive and taken advantage of to sign a slave contract.

    • really?! shinhwa, h.o.t. left sm because they want more money (become greedy for more money)? hold that thought and please check the following:

      concerning H.O.T. (disbanded by SM). reason?

      concerning SHINHWA (on near disbandment by SM):

      HOT = moon hee jun, jang woo hyuk, tony an, kangta are very much around as solo artist or producer and every time they release their solo albums, it gets to the top 5 chart ranking and their solo concerts are always a sold out.

      SHINHWA – as a group performer and solo artists, they never miss the top 5 or top 3 spot on music chart. over the past 10 years, they maintained their japan and china markets, thailand as well where junjin is the more famous shinhwa member. their last concert for 2 days on march 29 & 30, 2008 tickets were sold out by the first few hours when booth opened.

      https://sookyeong.wordpress.com/2009/08/03/sm-entertainments-refutation-they-made-11b-krw-after-debut/#comment-137201

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinhwa

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Shinhwa%27s_awards

      before members went to serve their military duties in 2008, shinhwa released an album (shinhwa volume 9) that sold like 120,000 in 2008 (only shinhwa and 2 other artists sold above the 100,000 mark that year of 2008) WITHOUT promotion. more than h.o.t. (fans please don’t get angry with me) shinhwa is still very much around and best of all, the 6 of them are still together.

      so there, thanks.

  4. i dont think u guys can 100% trust dbsk. sure, u’re a fan and what not but u guys dont really know them that much. just a fan’s knowledge, thats all. wat im trying to say is that dont bash sm too much n trust 100% on dbsk. n i agree with one of u guys bout the lee soo man thingy. he cant handle evry single singers in his ent. im sure other people are in charge of dbsk. soo, lsm isnt to blame for evrything.

    n saying that u guys haaaate sme, that’s bull. without them, u all wouldnt have shinee, dbsk, boa, suju, shinhwa, etc.

    • sme i dont like since the hot accident. yes i do respect them for giving us artists but they need to treat them better ! and agree on lsm thingy lsm cannot be blamed for this hes not even the current ceo of SMe that’s kim young min!

  5. [NEWS]090804 TVXQ’s Fanclub Speaks up! “Show us hthe exact amount of TVXQ’s income”

    The problem is not how much was given, but how the income was divided… And can only be solved if SM reveals TVXQ’s exact income

    Amidst the chaos that has ensued after TVXQ members YoungWoong Jaejoong, Micky Yoochun and Xiah Junsu filed a lawsuit against their agency, the rift between the two sides is getting deeper as SM Entertainment revealed it’s rebuttal.

    There is a lot of talk about SM’s official statement and many are skeptical about SM’s statement that the amount given to TVXQ was ‘a substantial income division.’

    On the 3rd, SM released that, “TVXQ, till now (July 2009), have received 11 billion Won (9.2 billion Won given during the activities+1.77 billion Won given beforehand) and have also been given luxury foreign cars (bonuses that don’t have any connection to the contract).” SM also said that, “The other side has focused solely on album sales even though TVXQ receive their fair share through events, CFs and other performances.”

    However, since the exact amount of TVXQ’s income till now has not been revealed by SME, SME’s statement has been met with skepticism and doubt.

    Fans stated, “Even if SM did give TVXQ 11 billion Won, that is still less than 400 million Won per person each year,” and “It is not plausible to say that this is enough when the group’s immense popularity or influence is calculated,” to show their reluctance to accept SM’s statement.

    In fact,TVXQ’s album sales started off with their debut single ‘HUG’ selling around 195K copies and after eight singles and four albums, they have sold a total of 2,68 million copies in Korea alone.

    In Japan, they have released 27 singles and four albums and sold a total of 2.34 million copies. According to the Japanese Record Committee, eight albums, ‘Summer Dream’, ‘T’, ‘Beautiful You/Thousand Year Love Song’, ‘Why Did I come to like you? (Doushite)’, ‘Spell-MIROTIC-‘, ‘Survivor’, ‘Bolero’, and ‘Share the World’ have received the Gold Ranking (100K or more) and ‘The Secret Code’ has received the Platinum Ranking (250K or more).

    Even when China, Thailand and Hong Kong is not considered, TVXQ has sold more than 5 million copies in Korea and Japan alone. Oricon Magazine, the official album chart for Japan, stated that in the first half of this year, TVXQ took eighth place in total album sales that earned them a total of 2.5 billion Yen (approximately 33 billion Won).

    TVXQ’s concerts also boast the best ticketing power and the income their live concerts bring in is probably a massive amount. Around 390K people attended TVXQ’s Asia Tours, 530K attended their Japanese Tours and 120K attended their showcases. In their concerts alone, they attracted over 1 million fans around the world.

    One fan wrote on their blog, “The most recent concert was their Japan Tour that ended at the Tokyo Dome which attracted 300K people. Even when using the average seat cost of 8000 yen (1 yen=1300 Won), that is still 2.4 billion Yen, in Won that would be 31.2 billion Won.”

    They also stated, “This is only taking the ticket fee into consideration. When you add up all the souvenirs sold during the concert and add this to the ticket cost, they must have earned at least 50 billion won.”

    After the Tokyo Dome concert, many Japanese news agencies estimated that, “If you add up all the money TVXQ earns in China, Southern Eastern countries, Korea, etc, TVXQ must earn around 100 billion Won every year.”

    There are other sources of income such as musical income sources of streaming, background music for homepages, downloads and ringtones, and commercials, performances, DVDs and photobooks, as well as a cartoon character venture, the amount that TVXQ has earned till now is almost out of this world. That is why SM’s statement regarding money has become an issue.

    In reference to SM’s statement that “From their debut till now, we have paid TVXQ 11 billion Won,” many fans are saying that, “It’s not about the actual amount of money given to them, but the percentage of total income given to them,” and “SM is putting forth a large number of 11 billion Won to make it look like they have been giving the members proper treatment pay-wise.”

    Fans also stated, “If the agency is so convinced that they are being fair and just, why is it that they aren’t revealing the exact income of TVXQ? There are too many unclear parts in this contract that even the members did not know the contents of.” They also criticized SM Entertainment by stating, “Because of SM’s poor attempts at making TVXQ the scapegoat, more questions are arising and they are causing confusion.”
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  6. i think that SME will loss if they DBSK break apart.
    they have millions fans from all over the world i guess.
    :))

    btw, the contract obviously unfair.
    DBSK!! fighting~~

  7. i just hope everyhtn will end up smoothly n the best for the boys.. i just want them to stay together.. omo.. dbsk fighting.. keep updating us dearie… many thx….

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  9. I personally think that CHANGMIN and YUNHO didn’t take part in this risky move because they feel if something does happen, they will less of a chance at success going solo.

    Thank about it…Yoochun, Jaejoong, and Junsu are all not only amazing singers but also great composers. Junsu has been repeatedly called a singer who could easily go solo by numerous news & entertainment critics. Yoochun is espcially good and composing and writing his own songs, and he has done many (and they have said in many interview that he and Junsu have written hundreds so far…unreleased). Jaejoong and Junsu are second at their knack for writing and composing. All three have shown that they have more to give than just a pretty face and singing voice.

    Thats not all. All three are known to be the most popular in numerous polls across Asia, and known to be the most like-able personalities. Junsu is known in Japan as a comedic and innocent personality that everyone wants to hear from, and polls in Korea have shown he is the most popular out of all TVXQ members (hence he got his first solo endorsement deals). Jaejoong’s popularity in Japan is sky rocketing due to his manga-like looks.

    Yunho used have the Best Dancer thing going for him a few years ago, but many more new idols have since replaced him. Especially as they older, it would have been hard for him to maintain that position anyhow. He is also not the strongest in the vocal department, although he does have a likeable personality and strong leadership skills. I am sorry to say for Changmin has always had the least going for him – personality and talent wise. Hence he took the safer route to not say anything at all. (If you stick with SM, you atleast have some sort of small job to do in the industry. Similar to what Kangta did when H.O.T broke up)

    I am sure these three, who have composed and written many of DBSK’s songs in recent albums and singles….want fairer treatment and pay. As a composer/song writer, you should be getting a percentage of revenue with every sale of the CD (thats BASIC knowledge)! They are doing above and beyond what they were expected to do when they debuted. I am sure these three feel the most cheated. I am sure though that Yunho and Changmin support them all fully….but I can’t help but notice that they didn’t join them.

    • didn’t YunHo & Changmin currently filming their drama?

      • changmin’s role is given by SM (its an SM drama…not independent company)

        As for Yunho, yes, he did get into a drama a few days ago. However, this lawsuit was being planned for a couple of months earlier, and they probably talked about this for a few years before they decided to take action. (in other words, before the drama, yunho wasn’t extremely well off or anything)

        One thing is for sure though. After all this…the other 3 may still be looked at unfavourably by SM.

    • I believe it’s not only bcos of that. Their contracts are probably different. They aren’t involved in the cosmetic thing. I always see that Uknow n Junsu are those who can be successful going solo. Uknow can act, sing quite well, dance, rap n he composed some songs for concert, didn’t he? Anyway, if the 2 joined the lawsuit while they are actually not relevant to the matter. Wouldn’t it be like they want to leave SM or disband?

      • I would differ in my opinion. Yunho isn’t an extremely well known for rapping, he only started an action role now, before he wasn’t known for it (and still isn’t as the drama hasn’t come out yet – we do not know how good he is).

        On the contrary, it was always Micky and Jaejoong that were given acting opportunities previously (Golden Fishery, Dating on Earth etc).

        They all have the same contract. Actually, they have to equally split their earning even if its one member that earns more than the other.

  10. The more I hear of SME, the more I get to hate it haha.
    DBSK hwaiting~

  11. yeah right! SME is full of lies.

  12. and at what angel said i also agree with that they cannot exactly blame lsm but we don’t what the circumstances were then when they signed it .
    we’ll see what’ll happen later 🙂

  13. tvxq Jjang im a yg fan i really don’t like sm .
    this only made it worse it’s like they’re trying to become a victim
    the profits they made out of dbsk is what 4-5 X as much as dbsk.
    i respect sm for finding and training and giving them a chance but if you see their schedules . it’s the worst thing ive ever seen honestly. especially during that mirotic period. now with all the acting and shit it’s only getting worse, anyway i hope dbsk will end up okay i hope sm WILL NOT make the same mistake as before :3

  14. this reminds me of H.O.T ,s.e.s and shinwha
    theyre not fighting for money their fighting for some freedom and rights and health issues etc.

    • what did shinhwa fight for? i really like shinhwa!

      • shinwha left sm because they weren’t being treated fairly aswell , but sm made it harder for them to perform on some programs etc. another reason why i don’t like sm -_-
        !!!!
        btw just for some people out there
        the current CEO of sme isn’t lee soo man it is kim young mi or something.!!!!!!!!

      • When shinhwa’s contract ended, SM want pursue to sign some members and left other members

      • …and, read that sm brought case against shinhwa in court that if shinhwa will leave sm, shinhwa can not use the name “shinhwa”. shinhwa fought sm in court and shinhwa won as the court gave decision that shinhwa can use “shinhwa” name.

  15. I’m sorry but both sides are playing the blame game which is what always happens, and you all are getting sucked into it.
    If there is no law about a 13 year contract then their is no alleged slave contract.
    Yes SM takes most of the profits but SM also pays for EVERYTHING. Housing, airfare, hotels, food, training, debut, stage sets, concerts. Not to mention that they do in fact buy very expensive gifts for their artists. One of Yoochun’s fancy cars was a gift and if suju gets paid the same there is no way 7 of them can high end cars the way they do. Not to mention the tons of money they get from CFs and acting deals and promotions and outside performances.
    I’m sorry but while DBSK should get their contracts relaxed just because their DBSK doesn’t mean everyone should feel sorry for them, because they DID sign the contract clearly without the help of a good lawyer. 5 years and no complaints. SJ, The Grace, Zhang Liyin, and BoA have dealt with just as much SM so where’s their lawsuit?
    While I have sympathy for DBSK I’m not about to go on some witch hunt after SM who brought DBSK to the level they are today.

    • THIS.

    • Actually the type of contract they signed is illegal in Japan, so while it might be ok in Korea, in other nations it is considered a slave contract, making it impossible for them to ever leave.

      Prohibition of a contract which describes the payment of a penalty, damages, etc. for non-fulfillment of a contract.
      Making a contract which fixes in advance the payment of a penalty or damages for non-fulfillment of a contract on the part of the workers such as resignation before the completion of the contract period, etc. (Article 16 of the Labour Standards Law)

      • so actually in korea it’s okay but in other countries it’s a slave contract .
        hmm i think sm shouldn’t have given those numbers away. and i really wanna know more about some of the details of the contract,

    • All they need to do is provide their audit book for DBSK for all this 5 year. If they really suffering from providing all that stuff during DBSK promotion, then let DBSK know it. SM already pay more than that — DBSK can sucks their reason and will left speechless. But it won’t happen since DBSK and SM know that DBSK earn A LOT more than their expenses, car, clothes, and accommodation.
      This year only, solely from japan activity it’s reported that from CD and DVD sales THSK earn 24.929 billion yen = 241.9 million US Dollar (take flat rate). Place them as 8th highest earning artist from jpop. So I don’t believe that SM pay more.
      Their contract with Avex is done via SM. It means avex pay SM and then SM pay DBSK. Don’t blame them if they want to know how much exactly they will earn from this.

      It’s about getting what you earn…

    • Boa was given stock shares in SM to keep her happy. Also, her contract was revised.

      Its easier for a solo artists to leave a company than it is for a band. SM knows this, and they took the advantage.

    • I agree with u mostly. They were the one who signed the contracts n it’s obvious that the other 2 members didn’t sign similar contracts. That’s why there’s no complain from them.
      But still we dunno the truth n i believe SM has done the 3 wrong. Hope it’s settled n won’t turn out to be a repeat of the past.

  16. 9 mil over 5 years is definiately not a lot, I don’t know who they are trying to impress by giving out those details. They should give out how much TVXQ made them that they were able to get out of their deficit.

  17. per group damn SM shoudl have keep those numbers hide cause that aiant good

  18. ^no
    1usd=1,222.49402krw
    so 11 billion krw for 5 people for 5 years = 440,000usd per person per year
    its more than what normal people make, but its still very little compared to what they deserve

    • and exactly how much do ppl think they deserve?
      there are korean artists working just as hard as them, lacking sleep just as much as they do etc.
      yes dbsk does sell a lot more albums….but at the same time they also earn more than the average korean artist.
      and before you start comparing their earnings to artists in japan or smth, remember that we’re talking abt the korean industry here…where the market is small. in the end, it all makes sense to me.

      i bet there are ppl in the business (those who work just as hard, but earn far less than dbsk) rolling their eyes at this.

      • I disagree with you. Have you seen their workload and schedule in Korea-Japan-China? Not only are they working around the clock, they have to travel day-to-day to different countries.

        there are entire blogs and huge websites dedicated to what stuff they are doing each day….you can fathom a little when we have approx 7-10 updates each day on their different activities. They are being pushed around, and its time they speak up before their spirit breaks.

        they only reason I think they were able to withstand this was because they had each other to gain support from.

  19. he’s tryin to cover up -__-
    and bring up the cosmetics issue that has NOTHING to do with it .
    sm is diggin its own grave i hope dbsk will be okay .
    i don’t believe sme anymore.

  20. Tks for the headup sookyeong…

    Even if the main problem was the cosmetic business, SM already violated the FTC rules that states the artists are allowed to do business outside his main job (actor and singer). And the someone on Soompi says that the rules of contract limitation was effective per June/July 2009. By the time they amendments the contract, the FTC rules still ineffective.

    So basically, SM doesn’t says anything. He just stated the obvious. There’s a reason why DBSK injunction was approved within a day (considered it was submit in friday and approved in monday). Because what they demand was stated on the FTC. No one violated the rules but SM here..

    BTW, 11 billion won/5 year/ 5 people = 0.44 billion = 4.4 million won/person/year.
    And I doubt they receive that much in 2004/2005. And I think they should make bigger than that average in 2008.

  21. though i’m not a fan of dbsk. this is getting messier. what does SM is trying to imply? SME sucks big time. dbsk and cassies hwaiting! other fans will support you too!

  22. wait 11billion won
    each or as a group cause as a group that seems really low

    • group. I know right.. they basically receive 4.4 million per year/person.
      Which I think they should receive higher than that especially in 2008

  23. seriously, this is messed up. sm is trying to look good.
    11 billion won? bull!
    that’s only USD163,783 per member for 5.5 freaking years!!!!
    so every year they earn about 32,756.

  24. “Also they also received many high-end foreign products in the process even though SM Entertainment was suffering from a business deficit in the 4 years after the group’s debut” –

    OMG it’s really a LAME excuse. well it’s your fault, SM. Black Beat and M.I.L.K were your failure, you disbanded H.O.T, S.E.S, let Shinhwa leave the company, … in the past and even DBSK debuted very succesfully, they alone couldnt make up your loss through many years ago. After that, you continued to debuted Super Junior, CSJH and SNSD but none of them can reach what DBSK’s have done. So it’s because you’re bad at carrying on bussiness. Don’t use this an excuse and make you look like a poor puppy. It’s your fault after all.

  25. lol…the jaejoong twitter account is so fake….i bet the person who is pretending to be jaejoong has no clue about this issue.

    • LOL.. yeah.. if it’s his true account, then Jaejoong English is quite good..He should speak English in interview ;P

  26. I highly doubt that that Twitter is valid. The Korean “he” uses is tres awkward. News sources need to use more credible source.

  27. Just a reason for covering up… *Roll eyes*
    Just give up SM… Fans won’t believe in you…

  28. omg .. this is getting much worse than i expected …

  29. Does anybody know anything about CreBeau, the Chinese cosmetic firm the boys invested in? Any background information? And, does anybody have any information about the details of the three boys’ investment? Are they franchise owners, stockholders, etc. ? How much money did they invest? Details of the business agreement like promotional activities, etc? I’m curious why SM is cementing their defense on this fact. Does SM know something that the boys did not tell us? Like the three might have been compelled to do this because of the contract they entered into with said company? Is it true that they were given incentives like the Audi, the townhouse, etc. just for signing the contract?

  30. I hope somebody chuck a durian at LSM’s face. I hate that cruel man.

    He is so going to get owned by Cassiopeia.

    • durian? ahaha. nywy, i think that we cant really blame sm for everything. n i kinda agree with what sm said bout the workload. im sure b4 they auditioned, they would at least know that they’re going to go through real hark work n all. n also, im sure dbsk made loads of money since some of them can even afford to buy expensive apartments, cars, clothes, etc.

      im a biiiiig fan of dbsk, but i dont think sm is the only one to blame. just chill n wait for things to settle.

    • Lee SooMan isn’t the in charge of SM anymore, and he isn’t cruel at all.
      He takes really good care of BoA. next to Kangta she’s been there the longest why hasn’t she sued? When she was having problems and no longer enjoying making music in Japan SM was the one to let her enter the US music scene and LSM has been there to help her out.
      HE actually had to fly back from America to help with this fiasco. since the real douches in charge couldn’t figure it out.

      • BoA is a major stockholder in SM so of course she won’t sue and what she earns doesn’t have to be split 5 ways like DBSK. I don’t think DBSK are stockholders in the company.

  31. lol, dbsk should hv moved to other ent =.=;;

  32. they r just trying to cover it up, amending it 5 times may b tweeking tiny things in the contract thats not even noticeable~
    homin should really join the lawsuit, coz now sm is just blaming it on the comestic products…

  33. I think SM will FAIL considering after the news theyre STOCKS fell down 11% (from Forbes) Hahaha… anyway SM sucks!

  34. SM “We will solve this case with the 3 members regarding the application for retractile in the contract and the lawsuit confrontation as soon as possible.”

    when i read this comment it kind made feel happy in a way b/c it means that sm wants to solve the issue with boys and not to make it worrse also not to repeat the same mistake that they made with H.O.T
    im trying to be postive here i hope everything will be solved
    DBSK fighting

  35. this is getting ugly.

    as predicted. SM entertainment isn’t going soft on the issue.

  36. greedy singers fail…

    • lol i agree it didnt work with nam gyuri the public still love her so i dont think it will work dbsk

  37. yeah…right…..I don’t believe SM anymore.
    DBSK fighting!!!!!
    thanks for constantly updating us 🙂

  38. how much is that in dollars???

    • 11 billion KRW is around 9 million USD. Regardless of whether that’s true or not, what is SM thinking? It doesn’t really matter what the facts are now. The fans are never going to side with them regardless of whatever they say unless they can prove these guys did porn or something. They need to stop digging their own grave and keep as quiet as possible and end this as quickly as they can. DBSK is one of their biggest profit makers. Fighting back only means more hatred from DBSK fans and their stock will drop lower as a consequence. SM needs to end this situation asap or they’ll hit the red again just like they did last year.

    • About two million, eight hundred thousand dollars for each member I think.

      • That would be each member earned two million, eight hundred thousands for over five years of work. Very good money, but far from the income of superstars in the entertainment business in Japan I imagine. Probably just the concerts DBSK did in Japan over the past year made more than all of their incomes combined since the beginning.

      • NOW I have it

        One million, eight hundred thousand

        or about $300,000 a year.

        Less than SM made off of just one of their concerts for all the years they have worked.

    • That’s about 160, 000 per member for 5 yrs.

  39. Whew, it’s getting more tense. What the hell..

    • Ehhh I don’t get what are they trying to say about the comestics thingy again..they brought up the comestic things again..=_=” And I knew without the 5, the debate is less stronger.

  40. Omo~~they want to cover the cruelty and the slavery contract!!

  41. whattheheck. what are they trying to do and prove? i mean, SM. =.=

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